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	<title>Comments on: Brooks, brakeless hipsters, and the tobacco industry</title>
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		<title>By: Erik</title>
		<link>http://www.tucsonbikelawyer.com/brooks-brakeless-hipsters-and-the-tobacco-industry/comment-page-1/#comment-11181</link>
		<dc:creator>Erik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jan 2010 02:21:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One last point here.  All day long I work with and for people, many of them very experienced cyclists, who have had limbs broken, teeth lost, skulls crushed, and worse.  Some weren&#039;t paying attention, some were unlucky, and others never had a chance.  

I make my living doing this, but believe me, I experience nothing but dread when I get a call from an injured cyclist, usually but not always followed by relief that the injuries weren&#039;t worse.

Please ride carefully.  

--EBR</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One last point here.  All day long I work with and for people, many of them very experienced cyclists, who have had limbs broken, teeth lost, skulls crushed, and worse.  Some weren&#8217;t paying attention, some were unlucky, and others never had a chance.  </p>
<p>I make my living doing this, but believe me, I experience nothing but dread when I get a call from an injured cyclist, usually but not always followed by relief that the injuries weren&#8217;t worse.</p>
<p>Please ride carefully.  </p>
<p>&#8211;EBR</p>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jan 2010 00:59:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;He also does in fact use that bag, and is an events manager. Loads of us do it.&quot;

Loads of you are events managers?  That&#039;s a lot of events!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;He also does in fact use that bag, and is an events manager. Loads of us do it.&#8221;</p>
<p>Loads of you are events managers?  That&#8217;s a lot of events!</p>
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		<title>By: Erik</title>
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		<dc:creator>Erik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jan 2010 16:31:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Ed,

The only place I am aware of where this went to court is Portland (big surprise) where the judge rejected the argument that the drivetrain itself was a &quot;brake&quot; because it could be used to slow or stop the wheel.  It&#039;s an interesting question, what constitutes a &quot;brake&quot; and whether fixie riders are complying with the law or not.  In Portland, anyway, they probably aren&#039;t.

EBR</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Ed,</p>
<p>The only place I am aware of where this went to court is Portland (big surprise) where the judge rejected the argument that the drivetrain itself was a &#8220;brake&#8221; because it could be used to slow or stop the wheel.  It&#8217;s an interesting question, what constitutes a &#8220;brake&#8221; and whether fixie riders are complying with the law or not.  In Portland, anyway, they probably aren&#8217;t.</p>
<p>EBR</p>
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		<title>By: Ed</title>
		<link>http://www.tucsonbikelawyer.com/brooks-brakeless-hipsters-and-the-tobacco-industry/comment-page-1/#comment-10910</link>
		<dc:creator>Ed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jan 2010 16:26:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FWIW:

&quot;A bicycle shall be equipped with a brake that enables the operator to make the braked wheels skid on dry, level, clean pavement&quot;
http://azbikelaw.org/excerpts.html#817

I&#039;ve never ridden a fixie and don&#039;t know much about them. I&#039;m guessing that (&quot;brakeless&quot;) fixie riders believe they are meeting the legal equipment requirements(?) What do the police think about this? just wondering.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FWIW:</p>
<p>&#8220;A bicycle shall be equipped with a brake that enables the operator to make the braked wheels skid on dry, level, clean pavement&#8221;<br />
<a href="http://azbikelaw.org/excerpts.html#817" rel="nofollow">http://azbikelaw.org/excerpts.html#817</a></p>
<p>I&#8217;ve never ridden a fixie and don&#8217;t know much about them. I&#8217;m guessing that (&#8220;brakeless&#8221;) fixie riders believe they are meeting the legal equipment requirements(?) What do the police think about this? just wondering.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jan 2010 15:03:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And Clarence, the act of deceleration unweights the back wheel whether you want it to or not - that&#039;s simple physics.  Especially on a vehicle where the CG height nearly equals the wheelbase and your braking wheel contact patch is less than one square inch.  That&#039;s the cruiser difference - longer wheelbase, lower more rearward CG, and fat low pressure tires that offer more than five times the contact patch area, combined with the fact that cruisers are rarely ridden faster than 10mph; and yeah, cruiser brakes are *still* crappy, though far superior to skidding that skinny little fixie tire.  All the &quot;mad skilz&quot; in the world do not nullify the laws of physics.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And Clarence, the act of deceleration unweights the back wheel whether you want it to or not &#8211; that&#8217;s simple physics.  Especially on a vehicle where the CG height nearly equals the wheelbase and your braking wheel contact patch is less than one square inch.  That&#8217;s the cruiser difference &#8211; longer wheelbase, lower more rearward CG, and fat low pressure tires that offer more than five times the contact patch area, combined with the fact that cruisers are rarely ridden faster than 10mph; and yeah, cruiser brakes are *still* crappy, though far superior to skidding that skinny little fixie tire.  All the &#8220;mad skilz&#8221; in the world do not nullify the laws of physics.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jan 2010 14:40:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, even I have a messenger bag - it was free schwag I got from the Microsoft booth at a conference I attended five or six years ago, I use it mostly as an airplane carryon.  (Anyone who bikes in Tucson knows why it&#039;s a bad idea to carry the load against your back through at least 10 months out of the year.)  I&#039;d be hard-pressed to figure out how spending $500 on one makes it work better.

I also tried the fixie thing (yeah - with brakes) as a training aid back in the 80s.  It may or may not have helped smooth out my cadence, but it was just too annoying to have to slow way down or modify my line through the turns to avoid scraping pedals.  Seems like a rather bothersome affectation to use for serious transportation, but if you&#039;re into useless affectation, hey - go for it!  And don&#039;t forget to remove your brakes before playing in traffic - that way everyone will know how &quot;hardcore&quot; you are.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, even I have a messenger bag &#8211; it was free schwag I got from the Microsoft booth at a conference I attended five or six years ago, I use it mostly as an airplane carryon.  (Anyone who bikes in Tucson knows why it&#8217;s a bad idea to carry the load against your back through at least 10 months out of the year.)  I&#8217;d be hard-pressed to figure out how spending $500 on one makes it work better.</p>
<p>I also tried the fixie thing (yeah &#8211; with brakes) as a training aid back in the 80s.  It may or may not have helped smooth out my cadence, but it was just too annoying to have to slow way down or modify my line through the turns to avoid scraping pedals.  Seems like a rather bothersome affectation to use for serious transportation, but if you&#8217;re into useless affectation, hey &#8211; go for it!  And don&#8217;t forget to remove your brakes before playing in traffic &#8211; that way everyone will know how &#8220;hardcore&#8221; you are.</p>
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		<title>By: asdf</title>
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		<dc:creator>asdf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jan 2010 01:38:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Evening all.  Londoner here, I can honestly say, I know Ted personally.  That is his bike, and yes, he rides it in London. He also does in fact use that bag, and is an events manager.  Loads of us do it.  London is very different to your city if you are in the USA. slower traffic and so on.  It is a personal decision.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Evening all.  Londoner here, I can honestly say, I know Ted personally.  That is his bike, and yes, he rides it in London. He also does in fact use that bag, and is an events manager.  Loads of us do it.  London is very different to your city if you are in the USA. slower traffic and so on.  It is a personal decision.</p>
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		<title>By: clarence</title>
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		<dc:creator>clarence</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jan 2010 00:51:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry EBR, but I think you&#039;re wrong about the need to take the weight off your back wheel... with a low enough gear, seated skids are the preferred method of stopping. 

TRUE, skidding a wheel is less efficient, but when done correctly it works very well.

I watched Chris Cuneely (former Ordinary mechanic) come to an unreal dead stop after mashing down the aviation path on his huge chainring and high gearing. Some people just have skills. Those who don&#039;t need a front brake.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry EBR, but I think you&#8217;re wrong about the need to take the weight off your back wheel&#8230; with a low enough gear, seated skids are the preferred method of stopping. </p>
<p>TRUE, skidding a wheel is less efficient, but when done correctly it works very well.</p>
<p>I watched Chris Cuneely (former Ordinary mechanic) come to an unreal dead stop after mashing down the aviation path on his huge chainring and high gearing. Some people just have skills. Those who don&#8217;t need a front brake.</p>
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		<title>By: Erik</title>
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		<dc:creator>Erik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jan 2010 04:10:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Clarence,

I disagree.  In order to skid a fixie you need to take your weight off the rear wheel, diminishing it&#039;s usefulness as a stopping mechanism.  A coaster brake lets you keep weight on the wheel and slow it down without putting it into a skid.  Skidding of course is way less efficient than slowing (hence anti-lock brakes on cars).  

Also, it&#039;s rare a bike with only a coaster brake is ridden as aggressively and in traffic the way fixies are very commonly used.  And I doubt even a skilled fixie rider can stop his/her bike as quickly with a skid than a coaster-brake bike could be stopped.

Finally, there are only two reasons, neither of them good, to ride a fixed-gear bike without brakes: (1) vanity, (2) the bike is a track bike and is not drilled for brakes.  If your bike isn&#039;t drilled for brakes (I&#039;m talkin&#039; to you NJ), ride it in the venue it was designed to be oh-so-gracefully appreciated: the velodrome.  Track bikes are gorgeous, beautifully engineered machines.  Let&#039;s keep them and your skull from getting crumpled at the corner of Congress and Stone.

EBR</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Clarence,</p>
<p>I disagree.  In order to skid a fixie you need to take your weight off the rear wheel, diminishing it&#8217;s usefulness as a stopping mechanism.  A coaster brake lets you keep weight on the wheel and slow it down without putting it into a skid.  Skidding of course is way less efficient than slowing (hence anti-lock brakes on cars).  </p>
<p>Also, it&#8217;s rare a bike with only a coaster brake is ridden as aggressively and in traffic the way fixies are very commonly used.  And I doubt even a skilled fixie rider can stop his/her bike as quickly with a skid than a coaster-brake bike could be stopped.</p>
<p>Finally, there are only two reasons, neither of them good, to ride a fixed-gear bike without brakes: (1) vanity, (2) the bike is a track bike and is not drilled for brakes.  If your bike isn&#8217;t drilled for brakes (I&#8217;m talkin&#8217; to you NJ), ride it in the venue it was designed to be oh-so-gracefully appreciated: the velodrome.  Track bikes are gorgeous, beautifully engineered machines.  Let&#8217;s keep them and your skull from getting crumpled at the corner of Congress and Stone.</p>
<p>EBR</p>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jan 2010 00:25:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First of all..  http://www.attackcartoons.com/news/data/upimages/camel.gif

It&#039;s a tossup for me, I&#039;m hesitant to hate on anything that encourages folks who are stupid enough to be a danger to others as well as themselves to quietly Darwin out alone while they&#039;re young and open up some breathing room for the rest of us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First of all..  <a href="http://www.attackcartoons.com/news/data/upimages/camel.gif" rel="nofollow">http://www.attackcartoons.com/news/data/upimages/camel.gif</a></p>
<p>It&#8217;s a tossup for me, I&#8217;m hesitant to hate on anything that encourages folks who are stupid enough to be a danger to others as well as themselves to quietly Darwin out alone while they&#8217;re young and open up some breathing room for the rest of us.</p>
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