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		<title>By: Coghauler</title>
		<link>http://www.tucsonbikelawyer.com/fourth-avenue-underpass-again/comment-page-1/#comment-8294</link>
		<dc:creator>Coghauler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 20:27:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We really don&#039;t like to do
that...get off and walk the
bike. But, it is often the
simplest way an individual
has to deal with a traffic
situation. It doesn&#039;t fix
the condition you may want
addressed, but it can be 
the safest response until a
fix can be found.
Bikes are traffic, however,
and it won&#039;t kill a car driver
to treat a bike as just another
car on the road...providing, of
course, that bikes act accordingly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We really don&#8217;t like to do<br />
that&#8230;get off and walk the<br />
bike. But, it is often the<br />
simplest way an individual<br />
has to deal with a traffic<br />
situation. It doesn&#8217;t fix<br />
the condition you may want<br />
addressed, but it can be<br />
the safest response until a<br />
fix can be found.<br />
Bikes are traffic, however,<br />
and it won&#8217;t kill a car driver<br />
to treat a bike as just another<br />
car on the road&#8230;providing, of<br />
course, that bikes act accordingly.</p>
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		<title>By: Dana</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 05:25:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think bikes in tucson should just stop pretending to be cars and crossing any lane of traffic to get into turn lanes. Get off your bike and walk it through through the crosswalk, and thats the always the easiest way to be visible to cars and avoid accidents.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think bikes in tucson should just stop pretending to be cars and crossing any lane of traffic to get into turn lanes. Get off your bike and walk it through through the crosswalk, and thats the always the easiest way to be visible to cars and avoid accidents.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 05:21:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just saw you present this very issue on KVOA Erik - but for some reason they framed you to cut off the top of your head.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just saw you present this very issue on KVOA Erik &#8211; but for some reason they framed you to cut off the top of your head.</p>
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		<title>By: BB</title>
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		<dc:creator>BB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Sep 2009 09:54:47 +0000</pubDate>
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I forgot my display</description>
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I forgot my display</p>
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		<title>By: BB</title>
		<link>http://www.tucsonbikelawyer.com/fourth-avenue-underpass-again/comment-page-1/#comment-8155</link>
		<dc:creator>BB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Sep 2009 09:54:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think if you have the feet 20 feet. 
Why not create two thru. lanes and one left turn lane
Provided you just paint two buffers. Rather simple.. 
Maybe place a sharrow or two right down the middle of the tracks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think if you have the feet 20 feet.<br />
Why not create two thru. lanes and one left turn lane<br />
Provided you just paint two buffers. Rather simple..<br />
Maybe place a sharrow or two right down the middle of the tracks.</p>
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		<title>By: Six Legs</title>
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		<dc:creator>Six Legs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Sep 2009 20:42:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I ride a local rickshaw and always stay in the left hand lane.  Its far to dangerous to cross all those lanes at scott just to cross them again come the turn around for the underpass.  As of yet I&#039;ve never been hassled by the cops for this.  It&#039;s usually at night when there&#039;s almost no traffic though.  Riding on the left still presents some problems because of the placement of the tracks.  Same thing with the placement on the 4th ave side.  Not enough room which forces you right up against the cars and the potential to be doored (by car) or floored (by tracks).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I ride a local rickshaw and always stay in the left hand lane.  Its far to dangerous to cross all those lanes at scott just to cross them again come the turn around for the underpass.  As of yet I&#8217;ve never been hassled by the cops for this.  It&#8217;s usually at night when there&#8217;s almost no traffic though.  Riding on the left still presents some problems because of the placement of the tracks.  Same thing with the placement on the 4th ave side.  Not enough room which forces you right up against the cars and the potential to be doored (by car) or floored (by tracks).</p>
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		<title>By: Jon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2009 17:26:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>An alternative approach to the south end of the underpass is via 12th St eastbound to Euclid (the portion coming from 17th St market), which enters Toole just east of the underpass.  Two quick right turns get you into the underpass without crossing the trolley tracks.

It requires riding one extra block east, but I find it much safer &amp; more pleasant than crossing 3 lanes on Broadway.  This route is also convenient when approaching from the south on 6th, 4th &amp; 3rd Aves.  

Admittedly, it&#039;s no excuse for a more bike friendly design.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An alternative approach to the south end of the underpass is via 12th St eastbound to Euclid (the portion coming from 17th St market), which enters Toole just east of the underpass.  Two quick right turns get you into the underpass without crossing the trolley tracks.</p>
<p>It requires riding one extra block east, but I find it much safer &amp; more pleasant than crossing 3 lanes on Broadway.  This route is also convenient when approaching from the south on 6th, 4th &amp; 3rd Aves.  </p>
<p>Admittedly, it&#8217;s no excuse for a more bike friendly design.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephanie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephanie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2009 08:00:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Two different cyclists went down on the Tuesday night ride at the bottom of the new underpass when they got tangled in trolley tracks. Very dangerous for bikes all the way through that thing</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Two different cyclists went down on the Tuesday night ride at the bottom of the new underpass when they got tangled in trolley tracks. Very dangerous for bikes all the way through that thing</p>
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		<title>By: BB</title>
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		<dc:creator>BB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2009 23:50:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m going to miss that ride 28th by a day darn it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m going to miss that ride 28th by a day darn it.</p>
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		<title>By: Coghauler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Coghauler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2009 19:03:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh yes, Red Star &amp; josh, all that money
spent and cyclists have a lesser situation
than before.
If there has been a lot of people
affected by this change, they need to
try to show up on Monday, Sept.28 at
3:30 pm at the corner of 9th St. and
4th Ave. where the BAC Downtown Sub-
committee will be holding a riding 
meeting. First topic will be potential
changes to 9th street to Euclid...to try
to keep them from screwing that up too 
bad. Then, I think, a trip around the
underpass/Broadway area and the more user
suggestions that can be heard about that
the better.
Spread the word about this if you can.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh yes, Red Star &amp; josh, all that money<br />
spent and cyclists have a lesser situation<br />
than before.<br />
If there has been a lot of people<br />
affected by this change, they need to<br />
try to show up on Monday, Sept.28 at<br />
3:30 pm at the corner of 9th St. and<br />
4th Ave. where the BAC Downtown Sub-<br />
committee will be holding a riding<br />
meeting. First topic will be potential<br />
changes to 9th street to Euclid&#8230;to try<br />
to keep them from screwing that up too<br />
bad. Then, I think, a trip around the<br />
underpass/Broadway area and the more user<br />
suggestions that can be heard about that<br />
the better.<br />
Spread the word about this if you can.</p>
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