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	<title>Comments on: GM shares fall to lowest price in 75 years</title>
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		<title>By: Wes Gay</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wes Gay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 May 2009 16:39:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Look what happened when I accidently parked my Humvee at Reid Park Zoo&#039;s preferred parking spaces for alternative fuel vehicles.  It was probably a biker gang. See pic above.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Look what happened when I accidently parked my Humvee at Reid Park Zoo&#8217;s preferred parking spaces for alternative fuel vehicles.  It was probably a biker gang. See pic above.</p>
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		<title>By: Wes Gay</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wes Gay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Apr 2009 16:50:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have a friend that might be considered a global denier.  He thinks there is nothing now, to get off fossil fuels &quot;the most efficient fuel source of today&quot; ya right.  He says if we did the &quot;enviros&quot; way of thinking, we could not receive any kinds of products and consumer goods across distances that makes this economy work, and have the conveniences we are used to everyday.  Well I gave him a two-pronged solution that he didn&#039;t respond to.  My solution, instead of trucks, we can use bicyclist.  We can line them up and have them pull the truck trailers (like chuck wagons).  Plus, it would not cost anything, because bicyclist enjoy biking anyway.  I think I just &quot;served him&quot;.  I enjoyed that, and I look forward to changing minds of others too.  Go Green!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a friend that might be considered a global denier.  He thinks there is nothing now, to get off fossil fuels &#8220;the most efficient fuel source of today&#8221; ya right.  He says if we did the &#8220;enviros&#8221; way of thinking, we could not receive any kinds of products and consumer goods across distances that makes this economy work, and have the conveniences we are used to everyday.  Well I gave him a two-pronged solution that he didn&#8217;t respond to.  My solution, instead of trucks, we can use bicyclist.  We can line them up and have them pull the truck trailers (like chuck wagons).  Plus, it would not cost anything, because bicyclist enjoy biking anyway.  I think I just &#8220;served him&#8221;.  I enjoyed that, and I look forward to changing minds of others too.  Go Green!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
		<link>http://www.tucsonbikelawyer.com/gm-shares-fall-to-lowest-price-in-75-years/comment-page-1/#comment-3773</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2009 01:06:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not shocked.  To be honest, I haven&#039;t opened one since the issue that papered the town.  (Fortunately they seem to have abandoned that particularly anti-green approach.)  At the time it looked like it was just a &quot;Penneysaver&quot; type ad vehicle for local roof-solar and cistern companies with little useful content.  I&#039;ll have to pick one up on the ride home tonight and see if anything&#039;s changed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not shocked.  To be honest, I haven&#8217;t opened one since the issue that papered the town.  (Fortunately they seem to have abandoned that particularly anti-green approach.)  At the time it looked like it was just a &#8220;Penneysaver&#8221; type ad vehicle for local roof-solar and cistern companies with little useful content.  I&#8217;ll have to pick one up on the ride home tonight and see if anything&#8217;s changed.</p>
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		<title>By: Erik</title>
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		<dc:creator>Erik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Mar 2009 19:37:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Scott, 

Lauren used to deliver the Tucson Green Times on her cargo bike.  Her job involved delivering new papers to the boxes around town, and taking the old papers that were still remaining to the recycle bin.  

She told me that the size of her load going to the boxes was really not very different from the size of her load going away from them.  She felt the publisher was printing many more copies than ever got read.

EBR</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Scott, </p>
<p>Lauren used to deliver the Tucson Green Times on her cargo bike.  Her job involved delivering new papers to the boxes around town, and taking the old papers that were still remaining to the recycle bin.  </p>
<p>She told me that the size of her load going to the boxes was really not very different from the size of her load going away from them.  She felt the publisher was printing many more copies than ever got read.</p>
<p>EBR</p>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
		<link>http://www.tucsonbikelawyer.com/gm-shares-fall-to-lowest-price-in-75-years/comment-page-1/#comment-3750</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Mar 2009 01:01:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Coghauler: It&#039;s funny and sad all at once.  It wasn&#039;t that long ago that I left the house for work in the morning to find an unordered paper littering my front yard - as well as all my neighbors driveways and yards and many more hundreds all along my route to work.  Some came open and were blowing all over the street - I saw many folks walk out, pick theirs up, and throw it unopened into their (non-recycle) garbage can.  The paper?  Tucson Green Times.  I love irony.

I was caught by surprise this year - I heard about the expo late Friday night; but with advance warning it would&#039;ve been cool to stand outside next to the parking lot entrance holding up a big sign that said:

&quot;Just dusting off and using the old Schwinn you already have in the shed makes you greener than everybody inside put together!  And it&#039;s FREE&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Coghauler: It&#8217;s funny and sad all at once.  It wasn&#8217;t that long ago that I left the house for work in the morning to find an unordered paper littering my front yard &#8211; as well as all my neighbors driveways and yards and many more hundreds all along my route to work.  Some came open and were blowing all over the street &#8211; I saw many folks walk out, pick theirs up, and throw it unopened into their (non-recycle) garbage can.  The paper?  Tucson Green Times.  I love irony.</p>
<p>I was caught by surprise this year &#8211; I heard about the expo late Friday night; but with advance warning it would&#8217;ve been cool to stand outside next to the parking lot entrance holding up a big sign that said:</p>
<p>&#8220;Just dusting off and using the old Schwinn you already have in the shed makes you greener than everybody inside put together!  And it&#8217;s FREE&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: BB</title>
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		<dc:creator>BB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Mar 2009 21:10:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was trying to show that GM didn&#039;t have the oversight to invest in technology that would make them a viable company.  I was also trying to show that GM is still in bed with the oil companies which were part of the fake company(standard oil) in the forties so that they could sell buses. In effect I was trying to show we have an outdated company unwilling to break ties and create a sensible business plan that fit into the 21st consumer. Now they are being propped up by a socialistic government all the while they even still try to lobby the government against emission caps.  It never ends.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was trying to show that GM didn&#8217;t have the oversight to invest in technology that would make them a viable company.  I was also trying to show that GM is still in bed with the oil companies which were part of the fake company(standard oil) in the forties so that they could sell buses. In effect I was trying to show we have an outdated company unwilling to break ties and create a sensible business plan that fit into the 21st consumer. Now they are being propped up by a socialistic government all the while they even still try to lobby the government against emission caps.  It never ends.</p>
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		<title>By: Coghauler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Coghauler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Mar 2009 18:04:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, that&#039;s the illusion...the only effort you
have to make to be green is to BUY something 
that is minuscully more efficient and throw out
what you have. It&#039;s a travesty..A travesty of a
mockery...A travesty of a mockery of a sham!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, that&#8217;s the illusion&#8230;the only effort you<br />
have to make to be green is to BUY something<br />
that is minuscully more efficient and throw out<br />
what you have. It&#8217;s a travesty..A travesty of a<br />
mockery&#8230;A travesty of a mockery of a sham!</p>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Mar 2009 13:42:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And while we&#039;re on the subject of faux-green vehicles, did anyone else attend the so-called sustainability expo at the TCC over the weekend?  Offering free admission to anyone who made use of the bicycle valet parking was a nice touch, but that&#039;s pretty much the extent of the &quot;pro-bikeness&quot; of the whole event.  Only one bike shop (Ajo) in all of Pima County sponsored a booth, and all they had on display was some lame battery-powered bike.  However, Jim Click, Holmes Tuttle, etc. were all out in full force displaying the various lumbering SUVs and heavy pickups that they get to tout as &quot;green&quot; because they&#039;ll burn either gas *or* propane in some cases, or diesel *or* biodiesel in others - and we all know just how much propane or biodiesel actually gets used in those things.  Several battery cars too, as well as hybrids and plain-old gas cars that get to call themselves &quot;green&quot; because they get better than 20MPG, every last one of them just as green as my left foot.  What a farce!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And while we&#8217;re on the subject of faux-green vehicles, did anyone else attend the so-called sustainability expo at the TCC over the weekend?  Offering free admission to anyone who made use of the bicycle valet parking was a nice touch, but that&#8217;s pretty much the extent of the &#8220;pro-bikeness&#8221; of the whole event.  Only one bike shop (Ajo) in all of Pima County sponsored a booth, and all they had on display was some lame battery-powered bike.  However, Jim Click, Holmes Tuttle, etc. were all out in full force displaying the various lumbering SUVs and heavy pickups that they get to tout as &#8220;green&#8221; because they&#8217;ll burn either gas *or* propane in some cases, or diesel *or* biodiesel in others &#8211; and we all know just how much propane or biodiesel actually gets used in those things.  Several battery cars too, as well as hybrids and plain-old gas cars that get to call themselves &#8220;green&#8221; because they get better than 20MPG, every last one of them just as green as my left foot.  What a farce!</p>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Mar 2009 02:07:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But Eric, you do have a point.  Maybe I do underestimate the true depth of the pretentiousness market (pun fully intended) - after all, that&#039;s the only thing that&#039;s kept Harley Davidson alive since the late 70s.  But then again a stock Harley typically costs less than $20,000, and you can ride one on the highway without having to stop every two hours for a four hour recharge.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But Eric, you do have a point.  Maybe I do underestimate the true depth of the pretentiousness market (pun fully intended) &#8211; after all, that&#8217;s the only thing that&#8217;s kept Harley Davidson alive since the late 70s.  But then again a stock Harley typically costs less than $20,000, and you can ride one on the highway without having to stop every two hours for a four hour recharge.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Mar 2009 01:59:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BB - So the R&amp;D guy was complaining that an R&amp;D project got killed?  So what?  As an R&amp;D guy myself I can tell you that this is pretty much the automatic lament for *every* R&amp;D gamble that goes nowhere - we&#039;d love to keep tinkering on every cool pet project, but if the money ain&#039;t there, it just ain&#039;t there.  And believe me that lack of popular demand (i.e. potential $ale$) has killed many waaaaay better ideas than any coal burning (remember, that juice out of the wall has to come from somewhere), landfill choking (thousand or so pounds of battery hazmat per vehicle have to be completely replaced every couple of years) short-range sluggish excuse for a faux-green vehicle.

Eric - Selling more than you can make is not necessarily a measure of success, recouping your astronomical R&amp;D and tool-up costs before your loans come due and your investors get tired of waiting for their return and pull out - that will be the measure of success of a company this new, and they&#039;ve got a long way to go from here.  Just ask John Delorean.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BB &#8211; So the R&amp;D guy was complaining that an R&amp;D project got killed?  So what?  As an R&amp;D guy myself I can tell you that this is pretty much the automatic lament for *every* R&amp;D gamble that goes nowhere &#8211; we&#8217;d love to keep tinkering on every cool pet project, but if the money ain&#8217;t there, it just ain&#8217;t there.  And believe me that lack of popular demand (i.e. potential $ale$) has killed many waaaaay better ideas than any coal burning (remember, that juice out of the wall has to come from somewhere), landfill choking (thousand or so pounds of battery hazmat per vehicle have to be completely replaced every couple of years) short-range sluggish excuse for a faux-green vehicle.</p>
<p>Eric &#8211; Selling more than you can make is not necessarily a measure of success, recouping your astronomical R&amp;D and tool-up costs before your loans come due and your investors get tired of waiting for their return and pull out &#8211; that will be the measure of success of a company this new, and they&#8217;ve got a long way to go from here.  Just ask John Delorean.</p>
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