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	<title>Comments on: Motorist who killed Jerome Featherman fined $254.00</title>
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		<title>By: Streetsblog New York City &#187; The Weekly Carnage</title>
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		<dc:creator>Streetsblog New York City &#187; The Weekly Carnage</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 17:02:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Green Valley, AZ: Motorist Takes Plea in Cyclist Death, Fined $254 (Tuscon Bike Lawyer) [...]</description>
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		<title>By: tony</title>
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		<dc:creator>tony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Oct 2009 19:15:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To whom and how is not a why, but I guess it&#039;s too confusing. 

I am still curious about the tangent to anarchism, but it is not important.

I cannot say that I am any more or less insane ;-) I do my best to be consistent; you are of course welcome to point out my inconsistencies. 

It seems to me that people doing what they may rightfully do ought not be afraid of going to prison, but sadly I have witnessed the courts deny people their rights, and fabricate reasons to imprison people unlawfully. It is impossible to know what one should do; I hope sooner than later people aren&#039;t too afraid to stand up for themselves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To whom and how is not a why, but I guess it&#8217;s too confusing. </p>
<p>I am still curious about the tangent to anarchism, but it is not important.</p>
<p>I cannot say that I am any more or less insane <img src='http://www.tucsonbikelawyer.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' />  I do my best to be consistent; you are of course welcome to point out my inconsistencies. </p>
<p>It seems to me that people doing what they may rightfully do ought not be afraid of going to prison, but sadly I have witnessed the courts deny people their rights, and fabricate reasons to imprison people unlawfully. It is impossible to know what one should do; I hope sooner than later people aren&#8217;t too afraid to stand up for themselves.</p>
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		<title>By: Ed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Oct 2009 00:53:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Could we steer the discussion back to mundanities?

One of the points of having this (relatively) new law, 28-735, was that it provided for &quot;enhanced&quot; penalities -- $1,000 in the case of death. Did the magistrate (? or whatever?) even know about this? Or is he/she just being recalcitrant?
$140 sounds like it&#039;s just the standard fine for a traffic infraction... or is the $27 extra (the amount above the fine for driving in a bike path) considered adequate for a fatality?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Could we steer the discussion back to mundanities?</p>
<p>One of the points of having this (relatively) new law, 28-735, was that it provided for &#8220;enhanced&#8221; penalities &#8212; $1,000 in the case of death. Did the magistrate (? or whatever?) even know about this? Or is he/she just being recalcitrant?<br />
$140 sounds like it&#8217;s just the standard fine for a traffic infraction&#8230; or is the $27 extra (the amount above the fine for driving in a bike path) considered adequate for a fatality?</p>
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		<title>By: Erik</title>
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		<dc:creator>Erik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Oct 2009 00:26:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are three really good ways to ensure that you will always win any argument.

1.  Challenge every assumption made by your interlocutor.  (&quot;Why do you say gang warfare is dangerous?  Please explain.&quot;)

2.  Immediately abandon or change all your positions as soon as they are shown to have been untenable, without acknowledging you have done so.  (Glenn Beck: &quot;Obama hates white people.&quot;  Then five seconds later: &quot;I never said that Obama hates white people.&quot;  

3.  Make up your own definitions of words or refuse to recognize the common ones.  (&quot;You are mistaken to say that positive law is any different from natural law.&quot;  &quot;A sovereign is not an individual.&quot;)

A fourth way is to just be generally insane.  Six plus five is nine, do you catch my drift?

Anyway just so my basic point here does not get lost: if you get injured on your bike and you set up your own court, as Tony urges you to do, and then you try to exact whatever penalty that &quot;court&quot; has &quot;ordered&quot; from the victim, you are very likely to find yourself in prison, so I advise against it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are three really good ways to ensure that you will always win any argument.</p>
<p>1.  Challenge every assumption made by your interlocutor.  (&#8220;Why do you say gang warfare is dangerous?  Please explain.&#8221;)</p>
<p>2.  Immediately abandon or change all your positions as soon as they are shown to have been untenable, without acknowledging you have done so.  (Glenn Beck: &#8220;Obama hates white people.&#8221;  Then five seconds later: &#8220;I never said that Obama hates white people.&#8221;  </p>
<p>3.  Make up your own definitions of words or refuse to recognize the common ones.  (&#8220;You are mistaken to say that positive law is any different from natural law.&#8221;  &#8220;A sovereign is not an individual.&#8221;)</p>
<p>A fourth way is to just be generally insane.  Six plus five is nine, do you catch my drift?</p>
<p>Anyway just so my basic point here does not get lost: if you get injured on your bike and you set up your own court, as Tony urges you to do, and then you try to exact whatever penalty that &#8220;court&#8221; has &#8220;ordered&#8221; from the victim, you are very likely to find yourself in prison, so I advise against it.</p>
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		<title>By: tony</title>
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		<dc:creator>tony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Oct 2009 23:36:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are mistaken if you mean to say that &#039;positive law&#039; is any different form &#039;natural law&#039;; It is like you are describing t-shirts as being fundamentally different because you perceive them as being different colors, or because you have a preference of material. Law is Law, it is an assumed form, an axiom so to speak; You are using &#039;positive&#039; and &#039;natural&#039; as relative terms to describe sections of the full scope of an inferred function of law.

I asked if there is an opposite to &#039;natural&#039;, not if &#039;positive law&#039; is the opposite of &#039;natural law&#039;. 

The sovereign is not an individual; sovereign is not a name for an entity of special quality. All life is sovereign, if you say it is any other way you are selling a scam.

You mentioned &#039;gang warfare&#039;, and I asked to whom and how &#039;gang warfare&#039; is dangerous. War (by the way) is designed to result in death, and is not any more or less dangerous for resulting in the death of non-combatants.

Explain the tangent about anarchism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are mistaken if you mean to say that &#8216;positive law&#8217; is any different form &#8216;natural law&#8217;; It is like you are describing t-shirts as being fundamentally different because you perceive them as being different colors, or because you have a preference of material. Law is Law, it is an assumed form, an axiom so to speak; You are using &#8216;positive&#8217; and &#8216;natural&#8217; as relative terms to describe sections of the full scope of an inferred function of law.</p>
<p>I asked if there is an opposite to &#8216;natural&#8217;, not if &#8216;positive law&#8217; is the opposite of &#8216;natural law&#8217;. </p>
<p>The sovereign is not an individual; sovereign is not a name for an entity of special quality. All life is sovereign, if you say it is any other way you are selling a scam.</p>
<p>You mentioned &#8216;gang warfare&#8217;, and I asked to whom and how &#8216;gang warfare&#8217; is dangerous. War (by the way) is designed to result in death, and is not any more or less dangerous for resulting in the death of non-combatants.</p>
<p>Explain the tangent about anarchism.</p>
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		<title>By: Green Valley cyclist killed @ Arizona Bike Law Blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Green Valley cyclist killed @ Arizona Bike Law Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Oct 2009 04:20:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The case was settled for only $254 in fines, covering two citations, according to the GV News &#8220;David Armstrong, 76, of Green Valley, pleaded responsible to &#8216;overtaking bicycles - fatal,&#8217; and &#8216;driving in the bike lane&#8217; and was fined $140.50 and $113.50 respectively&#8221;. No word as to why the fine for violating §28-735 , which carries a fine of &#8220;up to&#8221; $1,000,  was settled for far less &#8212; not that it really makes much difference, but after all what&#8217;s the point of having enhanced penalties for more serious outcomes if the judge/magistrate doesn&#8217;t apply it? [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] The case was settled for only $254 in fines, covering two citations, according to the GV News &#8220;David Armstrong, 76, of Green Valley, pleaded responsible to &#8216;overtaking bicycles &#8211; fatal,&#8217; and &#8216;driving in the bike lane&#8217; and was fined $140.50 and $113.50 respectively&#8221;. No word as to why the fine for violating §28-735 , which carries a fine of &#8220;up to&#8221; $1,000,  was settled for far less &#8212; not that it really makes much difference, but after all what&#8217;s the point of having enhanced penalties for more serious outcomes if the judge/magistrate doesn&#8217;t apply it? [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Ed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Oct 2009 04:07:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The term “accident” should never be used to refer to *any* vehicle collision. It&#039;s code for excusing negligent behavior.
http://azbikelaw.org/blog/was-that-an-accident-or-a-crash/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The term “accident” should never be used to refer to *any* vehicle collision. It&#8217;s code for excusing negligent behavior.<br />
<a href="http://azbikelaw.org/blog/was-that-an-accident-or-a-crash/" rel="nofollow">http://azbikelaw.org/blog/was-that-an-accident-or-a-crash/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Coghauler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Coghauler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2009 23:47:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The word &#039;accident&#039; should not be
allowed in court in cases where the
BAC level passes 0.08 per cent.
And it shouldn&#039;t have taken the
phone call for the judge to assess
an aggravated sentence.
Oooo...if I were a sovereign.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The word &#8216;accident&#8217; should not be<br />
allowed in court in cases where the<br />
BAC level passes 0.08 per cent.<br />
And it shouldn&#8217;t have taken the<br />
phone call for the judge to assess<br />
an aggravated sentence.<br />
Oooo&#8230;if I were a sovereign.</p>
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		<title>By: Red Star</title>
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		<dc:creator>Red Star</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2009 21:37:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Charlotte,

DLS: newspaper editors tend to project. 

Whether that is a desireable trait is open to debate, as you suggest...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Charlotte,</p>
<p>DLS: newspaper editors tend to project. </p>
<p>Whether that is a desireable trait is open to debate, as you suggest&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Charlotte</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charlotte</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2009 21:16:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Red Star-I thought that article was going to be about Jose Rincon, color me surprised!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Red Star-I thought that article was going to be about Jose Rincon, color me surprised!</p>
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