Comments on: Why is the Pima County Sheriff’s Department entrapping cyclists? http://www.tucsonbikelawyer.com/why-is-the-pima-county-sheriffs-department-entrapping-cyclists/ Because Every Bicyclist Needs a Good Lawyer. Thu, 11 Mar 2010 22:30:09 -0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9 hourly 1 By: JJ http://www.tucsonbikelawyer.com/why-is-the-pima-county-sheriffs-department-entrapping-cyclists/comment-page-1/#comment-6524 JJ Thu, 09 Jul 2009 05:32:20 +0000 http://www.tucsonbikelawyer.com/?p=779#comment-6524 Obviously you guys don’t police your self’s very well. I live off of Pima Mine Rd. and Mission Rd. I have lived there for over 25 years and have had to follow behind the group of riders that rides on Mission Rd. every Saturday. If I read the law right, you are supposed to ride no more than two abreast and give way when slowing traffic. It is my observation that this almost never happens. The group rides three or four abreast most of the time. This makes it almost impossible for a car to pass safely! I have also witnessed on many occasions at the intersection of Helmet Peak and Mission Rd. the Group swarming the intersection in both lanes of both roads. I know this is not legal! It seems most of you guys seem to think that you have no responsibility for you own welfare. Take some responsibility for your actions and maybe there would not be such animosity between the drivers and cyclists. I have ridden Mission Rd. as a single Cyclist for many years and have never had an incident with a motorist. I would hate to see the group that rides this rout for so many years loose there rights to do so, just because they cant follow the laws. JJ Obviously you guys don’t police your self’s very well. I live off of Pima Mine Rd. and Mission Rd. I have lived there for over 25 years and have had to follow behind the group of riders that rides on Mission Rd. every Saturday. If I read the law right, you are supposed to ride no more than two abreast and give way when slowing traffic. It is my observation that this almost never happens. The group rides three or four abreast most of the time. This makes it almost impossible for a car to pass safely! I have also witnessed on many occasions at the intersection of Helmet Peak and Mission Rd. the Group swarming the intersection in both lanes of both roads. I know this is not legal! It seems most of you guys seem to think that you have no responsibility for you own welfare. Take some responsibility for your actions and maybe there would not be such animosity between the drivers and cyclists.
I have ridden Mission Rd. as a single Cyclist for many years and have never had an incident with a motorist. I would hate to see the group that rides this rout for so many years loose there rights to do so, just because they cant follow the laws.

JJ

]]> By: Erik http://www.tucsonbikelawyer.com/why-is-the-pima-county-sheriffs-department-entrapping-cyclists/comment-page-1/#comment-5559 Erik Wed, 27 May 2009 17:29:20 +0000 http://www.tucsonbikelawyer.com/?p=779#comment-5559 Hi PB, I copied my letter to LaWall to Dupnick. I assume he will not respond, but LaWall should. EBR Hi PB,

I copied my letter to LaWall to Dupnick. I assume he will not respond, but LaWall should.

EBR

]]> By: PB http://www.tucsonbikelawyer.com/why-is-the-pima-county-sheriffs-department-entrapping-cyclists/comment-page-1/#comment-5553 PB Wed, 27 May 2009 09:55:33 +0000 http://www.tucsonbikelawyer.com/?p=779#comment-5553 Don't these officers fall under Dupnik's control, and if so, shouldn't the selective ticketing of cyclists be brought to his attention? Don’t these officers fall under Dupnik’s control, and if so, shouldn’t the selective ticketing of cyclists be brought to his attention?

]]> By: Coghauler http://www.tucsonbikelawyer.com/why-is-the-pima-county-sheriffs-department-entrapping-cyclists/comment-page-1/#comment-5506 Coghauler Mon, 25 May 2009 00:34:46 +0000 http://www.tucsonbikelawyer.com/?p=779#comment-5506 Because this is the PC violation. They are using the law (actually incorrectly) to make a statement about a certain behavior. Some- body does not like all the cyclists on the road down there or cyclists claiming their share of the road. Blowing stop signs or unlit night riding or riding against traffic would be violations that show concern for traffic safety and reduction of injuries. Obviously they are interested in something else. Because this is the PC violation.
They are using the law (actually
incorrectly) to make a statement
about a certain behavior. Some-
body does not like all the cyclists
on the road down there or cyclists
claiming their share of the road.
Blowing stop signs or unlit night
riding or riding against traffic
would be violations that show concern
for traffic safety and reduction of
injuries.
Obviously they are interested in
something else.

]]> By: kk http://www.tucsonbikelawyer.com/why-is-the-pima-county-sheriffs-department-entrapping-cyclists/comment-page-1/#comment-5503 kk Sun, 24 May 2009 22:25:25 +0000 http://www.tucsonbikelawyer.com/?p=779#comment-5503 "Why is the Pima County Sheriff’s Department entrapping cyclists?" An excellent question! Why not just wait till they blow through the next stop sign and ticket them then? “Why is the Pima County Sheriff’s Department entrapping cyclists?”

An excellent question! Why not just wait till they blow through the next stop sign and ticket them then?

]]> By: Two Abreast heating up @ Arizona Bike Law Blog http://www.tucsonbikelawyer.com/why-is-the-pima-county-sheriffs-department-entrapping-cyclists/comment-page-1/#comment-5487 Two Abreast heating up @ Arizona Bike Law Blog Sat, 23 May 2009 22:23:48 +0000 http://www.tucsonbikelawyer.com/?p=779#comment-5487 [...] It seems that the Pima County Sheriff’s department, in particular the Green Valley District, is out to get cyclists riding two abreast, see the discussion over at tusconbikelawyer.com. [...] [...] It seems that the Pima County Sheriff’s department, in particular the Green Valley District, is out to get cyclists riding two abreast, see the discussion over at tusconbikelawyer.com. [...]

]]> By: There’s a reason for this weekend — and oddly, it’s not biking or shopping « BikingInLA http://www.tucsonbikelawyer.com/why-is-the-pima-county-sheriffs-department-entrapping-cyclists/comment-page-1/#comment-5470 There’s a reason for this weekend — and oddly, it’s not biking or shopping « BikingInLA Sat, 23 May 2009 06:23:13 +0000 http://www.tucsonbikelawyer.com/?p=779#comment-5470 [...] do it safely, while OHS reminds drivers that we share the road, too. The Tucson Bike Lawyer asks why the Pima County sheriff is entrapping cyclists, and the Safe Passing Bill moves forward in Texas. San Francisco moves forward with a plan to phase [...] [...] do it safely, while OHS reminds drivers that we share the road, too. The Tucson Bike Lawyer asks why the Pima County sheriff is entrapping cyclists, and the Safe Passing Bill moves forward in Texas. San Francisco moves forward with a plan to phase [...]

]]> By: Erik http://www.tucsonbikelawyer.com/why-is-the-pima-county-sheriffs-department-entrapping-cyclists/comment-page-1/#comment-5459 Erik Fri, 22 May 2009 17:40:44 +0000 http://www.tucsonbikelawyer.com/?p=779#comment-5459 Actually my point was not to attack Matt Zoll or Barbara LaWall, and certainly not the Share the Road Guide, which I find to be excellent. My point is that the Green Valley District of the Sheriff's Department needs to be made to front up to the fact that they are treating this statute considerably differently from everyone else in Pima County, including their colleagues in other divisions of their own department, and they are also putting a lot of money at risk by doing so because they are making this area very difficult to train in. EBR Actually my point was not to attack Matt Zoll or Barbara LaWall, and certainly not the Share the Road Guide, which I find to be excellent. My point is that the Green Valley District of the Sheriff’s Department needs to be made to front up to the fact that they are treating this statute considerably differently from everyone else in Pima County, including their colleagues in other divisions of their own department, and they are also putting a lot of money at risk by doing so because they are making this area very difficult to train in.

EBR

]]> By: Red Star http://www.tucsonbikelawyer.com/why-is-the-pima-county-sheriffs-department-entrapping-cyclists/comment-page-1/#comment-5454 Red Star Fri, 22 May 2009 04:01:32 +0000 http://www.tucsonbikelawyer.com/?p=779#comment-5454 EBR, Agree that Zoll's publication needs to be vetted by Pima County Attorney. Zoll brought A.R.S. 28-704 in, in his publication: http://www.dot.pima.gov./tpcbac/Pubs/STR06.pdf Whether that was idiotic, idiotic savant, or sly would be speculative as so much of the above is. (and of course, it goes without saying that A.R.S. is due for some work). As you say, it will be interesting to learn what LaWall does with this situation. You may never hear back from her, but thanks for putting it out there... Red Star EBR,

Agree that Zoll’s publication needs to be vetted by Pima County Attorney.

Zoll brought A.R.S. 28-704 in, in his publication:

http://www.dot.pima.gov./tpcbac/Pubs/STR06.pdf

Whether that was idiotic, idiotic savant, or sly would be speculative as so much of the above is. (and of course, it goes without saying that A.R.S. is due for some work).

As you say, it will be interesting to learn what LaWall does with this situation. You may never hear back from her, but thanks for putting it out there…

Red Star

]]> By: Erik http://www.tucsonbikelawyer.com/why-is-the-pima-county-sheriffs-department-entrapping-cyclists/comment-page-1/#comment-5453 Erik Fri, 22 May 2009 01:58:24 +0000 http://www.tucsonbikelawyer.com/?p=779#comment-5453 Red Star, I didn't mention ARS 28-704 because I actually have no idea what it has to do with this discussion. ARS 28-704 involves the duty of drivers of vehicles to pull off the roadway if they are holding up five or more other vehicles. As far as I know, this statute has nothing to do with any of the bicyclists who have been ticketed, as no vehicles were behind them. So I can't really say if the Green Valley deputies are enforcing that statute or not. EBR Red Star, I didn’t mention ARS 28-704 because I actually have no idea what it has to do with this discussion. ARS 28-704 involves the duty of drivers of vehicles to pull off the roadway if they are holding up five or more other vehicles. As far as I know, this statute has nothing to do with any of the bicyclists who have been ticketed, as no vehicles were behind them. So I can’t really say if the Green Valley deputies are enforcing that statute or not.

EBR

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