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		<title>By: crhilton</title>
		<link>http://www.tucsonbikelawyer.com/you-want-to-get-a-ticket-or-dontcha/comment-page-1/#comment-7063</link>
		<dc:creator>crhilton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Aug 2009 01:25:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cops are allowed to do this?  Seems to me that for;
a.) threatening a ticket for an event that didn&#039;t witness and
b.) failing to report the incident
the cop should be punished.  Maybe he should be, say, I don&#039;t know, FIRED.

We get in trouble for not calling the cops but they come and don&#039;t file a report and that&#039;s okay?  Bull.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cops are allowed to do this?  Seems to me that for;<br />
a.) threatening a ticket for an event that didn&#8217;t witness and<br />
b.) failing to report the incident<br />
the cop should be punished.  Maybe he should be, say, I don&#8217;t know, FIRED.</p>
<p>We get in trouble for not calling the cops but they come and don&#8217;t file a report and that&#8217;s okay?  Bull.</p>
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		<title>By: Emiliano Jordan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Emiliano Jordan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Jul 2009 18:46:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Erik,

It&#039;s good to see that your blog is as lively as ever and that you are still working and going strong.  I wish that it was more positive and you had more stories to tell of the inroads you have made into Tucson&#039;s car/bike issues.  But keep reporting and working and I&#039;m sure Tucson will be better off.  I know I felt better knowing you were around.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Erik,</p>
<p>It&#8217;s good to see that your blog is as lively as ever and that you are still working and going strong.  I wish that it was more positive and you had more stories to tell of the inroads you have made into Tucson&#8217;s car/bike issues.  But keep reporting and working and I&#8217;m sure Tucson will be better off.  I know I felt better knowing you were around.</p>
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		<title>By: BP</title>
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		<dc:creator>BP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 22:50:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Erik,

Thanks for the response! Sorry for being so daft, I was thinking that the bicyclists were being ticketed for their involvement in the accident as opposed to breaking some fairly asinine law. That absolutely reeks of a retaliatory, vindictive attitude towards bicyclists for &quot;inconveniencing&quot; the police.

The police here have started to crack down on bicyclists without lights or helmets but it&#039;s &quot;city enough&quot; that the cops seem to be able to tell when an accident was the fault of careless biking or reckless driving. Not a lot of tickets being passed out yet, though, as it&#039;s really just a case of not even knowing the law exists.

I didn&#039;t ride in Tucson as much as I would have liked and was always envious of the racers on Catalina highway or going up Mt Lemon. Unfortunately, the drivers in the city proper scared me enough in a 4runner that I almost refused to ride a bike amongst them! I&#039;ve never met happier riders in my life than I did in Tucson, though. So many beautiful places to ride.

Thank you for maintaining this blog! I hope you are able to make inroads for bicyclists into the entrenched (and, sadly, entitled) car culture of Tucson.

-BP (Bryce)

PS. You were linked on the Chicago craigslist bikefo, by the way, which is how I found you. Thought you might like to know. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Erik,</p>
<p>Thanks for the response! Sorry for being so daft, I was thinking that the bicyclists were being ticketed for their involvement in the accident as opposed to breaking some fairly asinine law. That absolutely reeks of a retaliatory, vindictive attitude towards bicyclists for &#8220;inconveniencing&#8221; the police.</p>
<p>The police here have started to crack down on bicyclists without lights or helmets but it&#8217;s &#8220;city enough&#8221; that the cops seem to be able to tell when an accident was the fault of careless biking or reckless driving. Not a lot of tickets being passed out yet, though, as it&#8217;s really just a case of not even knowing the law exists.</p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t ride in Tucson as much as I would have liked and was always envious of the racers on Catalina highway or going up Mt Lemon. Unfortunately, the drivers in the city proper scared me enough in a 4runner that I almost refused to ride a bike amongst them! I&#8217;ve never met happier riders in my life than I did in Tucson, though. So many beautiful places to ride.</p>
<p>Thank you for maintaining this blog! I hope you are able to make inroads for bicyclists into the entrenched (and, sadly, entitled) car culture of Tucson.</p>
<p>-BP (Bryce)</p>
<p>PS. You were linked on the Chicago craigslist bikefo, by the way, which is how I found you. Thought you might like to know. <img src='http://www.tucsonbikelawyer.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Erik</title>
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		<dc:creator>Erik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 21:00:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi BP--

They can be given tickets for lots of things.  If they get left hooked (oncoming traffic makes left turn into them) they get a ticket for failure to yield. (Yes that happens to my clients.)  If right hooked, they get a ticket for passing on the right. (Yes again.) If hit from behind, they get a ticket for making an improper turn into traffic. (Yup, in fact I have one of these right now.)  And then there&#039;s always failure to control speed.  

I had a guy who was hit in the bike lane, in front of witnesses, by a motorist making an illegal U-turn.  Although this happened in broad daylight at 4 PM, the cyclist got a ticket for not having a headlight on his bike!  He was given the ticket whilst strapped to a gurney and being loaded into the ambulance.

It can depress you if you let it.

--EBR</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi BP&#8211;</p>
<p>They can be given tickets for lots of things.  If they get left hooked (oncoming traffic makes left turn into them) they get a ticket for failure to yield. (Yes that happens to my clients.)  If right hooked, they get a ticket for passing on the right. (Yes again.) If hit from behind, they get a ticket for making an improper turn into traffic. (Yup, in fact I have one of these right now.)  And then there&#8217;s always failure to control speed.  </p>
<p>I had a guy who was hit in the bike lane, in front of witnesses, by a motorist making an illegal U-turn.  Although this happened in broad daylight at 4 PM, the cyclist got a ticket for not having a headlight on his bike!  He was given the ticket whilst strapped to a gurney and being loaded into the ambulance.</p>
<p>It can depress you if you let it.</p>
<p>&#8211;EBR</p>
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		<title>By: BP</title>
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		<dc:creator>BP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 19:30:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Erik,

What citation is being given to the cyclist? I fail to see what they could be given a ticket for. Have any cyclists taken the ticket to court? If so, what was the outcome?

I am a former Tucson citizen and, after dealing with the TPD, Pima County SD and Pima County court on numerous occasions thanks to one awful and horrifically complex situation, I&#039;ve very little respect for any of the authorities in that city. The younger officers in the city seem to let their prejudice cloud their judgment - not so with the older officers I encountered. Do you have any information on the officers&#039; demographics that are taking this &quot;police report gains you a ticket&quot; approach?

I now live in Chicago. I&#039;m having a really hard time picturing any city cop here giving a ticket to a cyclist who&#039;s just been hit. This is partly because I&#039;m having a hard time picturing a cop actually showing up to take a report in a timely manner (if at all), but mostly because Daley himself has been doored on numerous occasions and seems to have it out for &quot;cagers&quot; and no cop wants to cross him.

Regards,
BP</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Erik,</p>
<p>What citation is being given to the cyclist? I fail to see what they could be given a ticket for. Have any cyclists taken the ticket to court? If so, what was the outcome?</p>
<p>I am a former Tucson citizen and, after dealing with the TPD, Pima County SD and Pima County court on numerous occasions thanks to one awful and horrifically complex situation, I&#8217;ve very little respect for any of the authorities in that city. The younger officers in the city seem to let their prejudice cloud their judgment &#8211; not so with the older officers I encountered. Do you have any information on the officers&#8217; demographics that are taking this &#8220;police report gains you a ticket&#8221; approach?</p>
<p>I now live in Chicago. I&#8217;m having a really hard time picturing any city cop here giving a ticket to a cyclist who&#8217;s just been hit. This is partly because I&#8217;m having a hard time picturing a cop actually showing up to take a report in a timely manner (if at all), but mostly because Daley himself has been doored on numerous occasions and seems to have it out for &#8220;cagers&#8221; and no cop wants to cross him.</p>
<p>Regards,<br />
BP</p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 20:53:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Erik, this is an excellent post which I&#039;ve linked to from our blog. As I&#039;m sort of an obstinate bicyclist I&#039;ve always been of the mindset of taking any violation I may be offered as a bicyclist and then fighting it in court later. However, I can surely see where other personalities may be more inclined to just forget about it and go home. I don&#039;t have a pre-ride mantra, but I&#039;m thinking of putting one together and making it a ritual and including &quot;Take the Ticket&quot; as part of it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Erik, this is an excellent post which I&#8217;ve linked to from our blog. As I&#8217;m sort of an obstinate bicyclist I&#8217;ve always been of the mindset of taking any violation I may be offered as a bicyclist and then fighting it in court later. However, I can surely see where other personalities may be more inclined to just forget about it and go home. I don&#8217;t have a pre-ride mantra, but I&#8217;m thinking of putting one together and making it a ritual and including &#8220;Take the Ticket&#8221; as part of it.</p>
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		<title>By: Tempe Bicycle Action Group &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Excellent post from TusconBikeLawyer.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tempe Bicycle Action Group &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Excellent post from TusconBikeLawyer.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 07:21:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] the Ticket&#8221; as it can be immensely helpful to your legal case! Read Erik&#8217;s post here.    Send To:                Hide    $$(&#039;div.d377&#039;).each( function(e) { [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] the Ticket&#8221; as it can be immensely helpful to your legal case! Read Erik&#8217;s post here.    Send To:                Hide    $$(&#8216;div.d377&#8242;).each( function(e) { [...]</p>
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		<title>By: What&#8217;s your experience with filing police reports? &#124; MEN blog . net</title>
		<link>http://www.tucsonbikelawyer.com/you-want-to-get-a-ticket-or-dontcha/comment-page-1/#comment-6335</link>
		<dc:creator>What&#8217;s your experience with filing police reports? &#124; MEN blog . net</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 03:55:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Bike Lawyer writes about the typical cyclist experience following a bike vs car collision:  A cyclist gets hit by a car, and is lying in the pavement dazed. Assuming the cyclist is not [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Bike Lawyer writes about the typical cyclist experience following a bike vs car collision:  A cyclist gets hit by a car, and is lying in the pavement dazed. Assuming the cyclist is not [...]</p>
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		<title>By: What&#8217;s your experience with filing police reports? &#171; Bike Monkey Magazine</title>
		<link>http://www.tucsonbikelawyer.com/you-want-to-get-a-ticket-or-dontcha/comment-page-1/#comment-6287</link>
		<dc:creator>What&#8217;s your experience with filing police reports? &#171; Bike Monkey Magazine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Jun 2009 01:37:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Bike Lawyer writes about the typical cyclist experience following a bike vs car collision:  A cyclist gets hit by a car, and is lying in the pavement dazed. Assuming the cyclist is not [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Bike Lawyer writes about the typical cyclist experience following a bike vs car collision:  A cyclist gets hit by a car, and is lying in the pavement dazed. Assuming the cyclist is not [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Coghauler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Coghauler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 18:36:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The new chief, it has been heard
to be said, is not particularly
in favor of bicycles. So much so
as to be inclined to do away with
the bicycle division...but you
didn&#039;t hear that from me.</description>
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to be said, is not particularly<br />
in favor of bicycles. So much so<br />
as to be inclined to do away with<br />
the bicycle division&#8230;but you<br />
didn&#8217;t hear that from me.</p>
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